Smitty’s Swamp – Part 1

My endeavors as of this day, have not identified a clear pedigree of my Smith line by way of historical documents or proposed in published references. Genealogists prefer to validate against documents to substantiate their conclusions. Many would also go so far as to say a fact is not proved until it is documented. This might work for researchers whose ancestors were from the New England states, where records were well kept and are still available, but in the southern states, where many records were not kept and where many of those that were kept are now lost by war and fires, it is not always possible to document a family’s life completely.

Since there are many gaps in the records of the Smith’s, researchers must weigh all the available evidence and make judgement as to the truth of the matter, much as juries reach their decisions. Conflicting information, as found in many speculations and conjectures, must be checked out by independent research, including the use of modern information gleamed from DNA testing.

Smitty’s Swamp

Imagine nine friends, along with myself, walking in the woods and we come upon a buck, a doe and 8 fawns. The deer get spooked and run feverishly away from us toward the swamp. As the deer approach the swamp the buck and doe enter the waters destined for the dry land on the opposite side. The fawns however, are afraid of the water and skirt the edges of the swamp, on wet but solid ground. They split, some run left and some run right. They will eventually reunite with the buck and doe on the opposite side of the swamp.

In this analogy the buck and doe are to represent my direct lineage, where as the doe’s represent siblings, offspring, clues in each generation of my direct lineage.

As my friends and I begin pursuit of the deer, we are able to follow their trail until we run up against the edge of the swamp.

I can trace my Smith lineage by historical records until I reach John W Smith, who is my 3rd great-grandfather. I must note here that the family genealogist of past have always hit a road block at this point, as did I. Also all of the research that I have seen online, published or by family trees have never been proven or are erroneous. Many hours have been spent examining these paths to conclude they were in error.

For the sake of future family researchers my line begins with my father Roy Lee Smith, his father Floyd Benjamin Smith, his father Richard Isaiah Smith, his father Richard Calhoun Smith, and his father John W Smith.

John W Smith married Nancy A Smith (Houston County, Georgia) in 1835. Family lore does lend that John and Nancy were cousins.

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Georgia, Marriage Records from Select Counties, 1828-1978, Houston County, Marriages Book A 1833-1852

This is where I enter the swamp. I take upon myself to try and track the buck and doe through the swamp. This will be very difficult as the swamp is not a conducive place which allows many traceable signs of the buck and doe to be left behind. At best, I hope to find a broken twig here or there and some turned up mud in the water.

My friends will track the fawns around the edges of the swamp making it easier to track and get back on the trail of the buck and doe on the other side of the swamp.

John W Smith’s (buck) father is likely Isaiah Smith Sr.{1,2,3}

1. As mentioned John W Smith was always the brick wall when researching this lineage by historical documents. One day I found a family tree online belonging to  Emory Smith. His tree showed his brick wall as Isaiah Smith Jr, who had a brother named John W Smith. Reaching out to Emory I learned that his father and grandparents went to family reunions back in the day and the progenitors known at the reunion of that line/families where Isaiah Smith Jr and John W Smith and were known to be brothers.

Emory’s traced lineage via documented sources: Graylin Smith > William A Smith > Richard S Smith > Isaiah Smith Jr (annotation of ‘Jun’ first used on his marriage license when he wed Amelia Hathcock (Dooly County, Marriages (White), Book A 1846 – 1853)).

This claim of brotherhood, is further supported by evidence. John W Smith lived in the vicinity of the east coast of Florida (Daytona Beach, 2nd half of the 19th century (as indicated by census records)). Isaiah Smith Jr lived in the vicinity of the west coast of Florida (Tampa, 2nd half of the 19th century (as indicated by census records)). Without other documents showing a connection, how is it concluded that they even knew each other living on opposite coast of Florida about an 18 hour horse and buggy ride.

John W Smith’s son Needham Jermone Bonaparte Smith married Isaiah Smith Jr’s daughter Isabelle M Smith around 1888 (according to the 1900 census).

Also, John W Smith’s grandson, Andrew Gideon Hull (mother Sarah Ann Elizabeth Smith Hull) married Isaiah Smith Jr’s grand-daughter Alice S Smith (father Needham Smith) around 1901 (according to the 1910 census).

This lends to the strong conclusion that these Smith families living on opposite coast, knew each other in some manner. They would have had to spend some time together for two generations of offspring to bond and enter marriage.

2. DNA Match (fawn 1) with username LANA LAMEIER {10.6 centimorgans/cms across 1 DNA segment/seg // Emory also matches this user {8.7cm/1seg}. This users traced lineage via documented sources: Grace Cross > Perry Cross > Anne Elizabeth Smith > Isaiah Smith Jr. This reaffirms #1 above and is very strong evidence that John W Smith (myself) and Isaiah Smith Jr (Emory) share the same DNA and are concluded to be brothers (Emory would be my 5th generation cousin).

3. Assuming that Isaiah Smith is a Junior, then there must be a Senior. In examining the 1830 U.S. Census for Houston County, Georgia there is an Isaiah Smith living next to an Eason Smith. We know that census takers back in the 1830’s normally traveled by foot/horse and sequentially went door to door, per se, to collect the census data. So we can assume that in 1830 Isaiah and Eason lived near or next to each other.

Isaiah Eason

Eason is believed to be the second eldest son of Isaiah Smith Sr. DNA Match (fawn 2) with username Joan Murphy {15.9cm/1seg}. This users traced lineage via documented sources: Carrie Belle Barry > Nannie Mae Smith > Eason Smith Jr > Eason Smith Sr.

All of this evidence compiled implies John W Smith’s father is Isaiah Smith Sr. This gets us a quarter around the left side of the swamp.

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Next entry we’ll examine some evidence taking us around the right side of the swamp.

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  1. Are you for sure the Isaiah Smith (b. 1823) who wed Permelia Haithcock was actually the brother of your ancestor John W Smith? I see most people on Ancestry list this Isaiah as the son of Isaac Smith (b. 1797) and Nancy Carver (1803-1860) and there are books and many online historical profiles which list this as well, I just don’t see how so many people could get something like this wrong.

    There is this person on Find A Grave named R L Snyder and this person says Isaiah Smith is the proven son of Isaac Smith and Nancy Carver and is a brother to Robert C Smith (1824-1898, https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/29318441/robert-c-smith) and William Smith (1833-1895, https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/29318422/william-smith). There is this person who gotten in some heated debates with R L Snyder over the years and according to him Isaiah Smith isn’t the son of Isaac Smith and Nancy Carver and isn’t a brother to Robert C Smith/William Smith, as a result R L Snyder posted all over online saying he is going against a proven and established line as previously listed in several genealogies and historical profiles.

    Now I looked at the 1850 Columbia County FL Census and I do see Robert C Smith and William Smith in Isaac’s and Nancy’s household (https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/18435686:8054), so Robert and William are definitely the sons of Isaac Smith and Nancy Carver.

    I read in one of your articles where you said your parental haplogroup is J-M267. I was looking at the Smith Y-DNA Project and I see a descendant of Isaac Smith’s and Nancy Carter’s son William Smith took a test and he belongs to haplogroup I-M253 (https://smithsworldwide.org/tng/showbranch.php?br=HI6qSR19115608). So if you belong to J-M267 and Isaiah was the son of Isaac Smith/Nancy Carver which is haplogroup I-M253, then there is no way Isaiah Smith could be related to your John W Smith.

    But if you truly believe Isaiah Smith and John W Smith were brothers, you should reach out to this R L Snyder person for he/she will stop posting all over online that the other person is going against a proven and established line.

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    1. Truth Seeker, thank you for the comment.

      In the genealogy community, there’s a troubling phenomenon known as ‘genealogical plagiarism’. It’s when researchers copy information from other sources without verifying its accuracy or conducting independent research. This can lead to the perpetuation of errors and misinformation within the genealogical community, as subsequent researchers may unknowingly rely on these flawed sources, further perpetuating the inaccuracies.

      This perpetuation has resulted in misinformation regarding the identification of Isaiah Smith Jr (b. 1816) as the son of Isaac Smith and Nancy Carver, and John W Smith as the son of Isaac Smith and Elizabeth Jane Furr. Unfortunately, this misinformation is replicated time and again in genealogical communities.

      As the saying goes, just because information is repeated ad nauseam doesn’t mean it’s true. In my articles, I strive to conduct independent research and present readers with the evidence that forms the basis of logical conclusions.

      I’m familiar with the individual you mentioned, Emory, who has discussed this matter with Ms. Snyder. Emory descends from Isaiah Smith Jr through his son Richard S Smith, while I descend from John W Smith through his son Richard C Smith. Interestingly, both Isaiah and John named sons Needham, presumably honoring their uncle Needham Smith Sr.

      J-M267 is a rare haplogroup among white males of English descent. Based on my knowledge thus far, there are probably fewer than 100 of us in the U.S. Both Emory and I have tested and belong to this haplogroup, indicating a common ancestor dating back to the late 18th century (Isaiah Smith Sr (b. 1785)).

      Alice Smith, Isaiah’s granddaughter, married Andrew Hull, John’s grandson, adding another layer to our shared family history. Isaiah Smith Jr primarily resided on the west coast of Florida, while John lived on the east coast. It’s intriguing to consider how two Smith descendants from opposite coasts of Florida met and fell in love.

      Furthermore, it’s worth noting that Alice Smith Hull often shared stories, particularly at family reunions, recounting tales of the Smith patriarchs John W Smith and Isaiah Smith Jr. (Common knowledge because this was her grandfather and her husbands grandfather)

      I also believe I’m the first to identify the existence of Isaiah’s older brother Richard G Smith and one of his younger sisters, Elizabeth. Emory and I both have autosomal DNA matches with descendants of Richard and Elizabeth.

      While I’m not an expert on Isaac Smith and Nancy Carver, I haven’t come across any legitimate sources that identify Isaac as having a son named Isaiah. If this is a ‘proven and established line’, I sure would be interested in seeing that proof.

      The Isaiah Smith born circa 1816 is the one we identify with, as marrying Permelia Harthcock in Dooly County, Georgia in 1847 and is the brother of John W. Smith, both sons of Isaiah Smith Sr.

      Coincidently, I had already started outlining an article on Isaiah Jr, suggest checking back in the future to learn more about him.

      /r
      Mike

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